proposed these automatic spending cuts, and now they're saying it would be so awful, there is leon panetta, the out going defense secretary saying it would hollow out the military. this is not how washington is supposed to operate, is it? >> no, it's not, and let me explain. when the president proposed a sequester, it was as an incentive to those of us in congress to work together on a bipartisan basis to solve these problems. it was supposed to be so awful that the super committee would finally reach a bipartisan agreement, but because they completely rejected revenue, it never happened. now we go through the fiscal cliff. we have imposed about roughly $700 billion in new taxes on the wealthiest americans over the next ten years. the president believes, and i agree, within tax reform, we can find additional savings over the next ten years, use that to move toward deficit reduction and still keep this economy moving forward. >> so, how do you gain this -- again, i go back to what the president said a year ago, that he was going to fight obstruction with action. what does he have to show fo